4/2 (Tue.) Who Deserves Citizenship? (Host: Kat)

4/2 (Tue.) Who Deserves Citizenship? (Host: Kat)

文章Kat C » 週日 3月 31, 2019 12:41 pm


Dear friends,

Fresh back from Japan - the world's fastest aging country (more than a quarter of Japan's citizens are at least 65), now seeking a sharp increase in the number of foreign workers - I've been thinking a lot about the movement of people.

In a world where we can now visit most countries, and even possibly work and live in a place of our choosing, the idea of citizenship, belonging to a land, or calling somewhere home, seems more fluid than ever. And that's only the voluntary part of the "freedom of movement" debate. The world's migrant population - over 127 million people according to UN and U.S. Census Bureau estimates - is often driven out of their country of birth or residence by natural disasters, economic hardship, or political oppression. And these are, of course, those who have survived the journey. At the heart of the issue may be the realization - and reality - that we could all be migrants or refugees one day.

Let's talk about who has the right to move to, live or work in a land, what borders and identity mean in our global community and the era of tribalism, and other interesting, related issues. We'll try various discussion formats (games? :mrgreen: ) to make it even more fun! :wink:


☛ The Determining factors:

Who gets to be a citizen? Here's from Wikipedia:

Each country has its own policies, regulations and criteria as to who is entitled to its citizenship. A person can be recognized or granted citizenship on a number of bases. Usually citizenship based on circumstances of birth is automatic, but in other cases an application may be required.

✦ Citizenship by birth (jus sanguinis)

If one or both of a person's parents are citizens of a given state, then the person may have the right to be a citizen of that state as well. Formerly this might only have applied through the paternal line, but sex equality became common since the late twentieth century. Citizenship is granted based on ancestry or ethnicity and is related to the concept of a nation state common in Europe. Where jus sanguinis holds, a person born outside a country, one or both of whose parents are citizens of the country, is also a citizen. States normally limit the right to citizenship by descent to a certain number of generations born outside the state, although some do not. This form of citizenship is common in civil law countries.

✦ Born within a country (jus soli)

Some people are automatically citizens of the state in which they are born. This form of citizenship originated in England where those who were born within the realm were subjects of the monarch (a concept pre-dating citizenship) and is common in common law countries.
In many cases, both jus soli and jus sanguinis hold citizenship either by place or parentage (or both).

✦ Citizenship by marriage (jus matrimonii)

Many countries fast-track naturalization based on the marriage of a person to a citizen. Countries which are destinations for such immigration often have regulations to try to detect sham marriages, where a citizen marries a non-citizen typically for payment, without them having the intention of living together.

✦ Naturalization

States normally grant citizenship to people who have entered the country legally and been granted permit to stay, or been granted political asylum, and also lived there for a specified period. In some countries, naturalization is subject to conditions which may include passing a test demonstrating reasonable knowledge of the language or way of life of the host country, good conduct (no serious criminal record) and moral character (such as drunkenness, or gambling), vowing allegiance to their new state or its ruler and renouncing their prior citizenship. Some states allow dual citizenship and do not require naturalized citizens to formally renounce any other citizenship.

✦ Citizenship by investment or Economic Citizenship

Wealthy people invest money in property or businesses, buy government bonds or simply donate cash directly, in exchange for citizenship and a passport. Whilst legitimate and usually limited in quota, the schemes are controversial. Costs for citizenship by investment range from as little as $100,000 (£74,900) to as much as €2.5m (£2.19m)

✦ Excluded categories

In the past there have been exclusions on entitlement to citizenship on grounds such as skin color, ethnicity, sex, and free status (not being a slave). Most of these exclusions no longer apply in most places. Modern examples include some Arab countries which rarely grant citizenship to non-Muslims, e.g. Qatar is known for granting citizenship to foreign athletes, but they all have to profess the Islamic faith in order to receive citizenship. The United States grants citizenship to those born as a result of reproductive technologies, and internationally adopted children born after February 27, 1983. Some exclusions still persist for internationally adopted children born before February 27, 1983 even though their parents meet citizenship criteria.



☛ The View Points:

We'll explore some of the ideas from the links below for our discussion. The views expressed are solely those of the respective authors:

1. None of Us Deserve Citizenship (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/opin ... nship.html

2. 23 countries where money can buy you a second passport or 'elite residency' (Business Insider)
https://www.businessinsider.com/countri ... ort-2018-9

3. Five myths about the refugee crisis (The Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/j ... gee-crisis

4. As Japan Tries Out Immigration, Migrant Workers Complain Of Exploitation (NPR)
https://www.google.com/url?https://www. ... ploitation


☛ To prepare:

Please draw a simple world map, first trace how your family or clan - as far back as you know - has moved to where you are. Second, mark your family and friends' past and current foreign residences (of longer than 3 months), if any. Finally, project your family's future movement in the world.

6:50 ~ 7:00pm Greetings & free talk / ordering drinks / getting newcomer’s information
7:00 ~ 7:20pm Opening remarks / newcomer’s self-introduction / grouping
(Session I)
7:20 ~ 8:20pm Activities (60 mins)
8:20 ~ 8:30pm Regrouping / instruction / break
(Session II)
8:30~ 9:20pm Activities (50 mins)
9:20~ 9:30pm Concluding remarks / announcements (10 mins)
聚會時間:請準時 7:00 pm 到 ~ 約 9:30 pm 左右結束
地址、電話:台北市濟南路三段25號 地圖 (02) 2740-2350
捷運站:板南線 忠孝新生站 3 號出口
走法:出忠孝新生站 3 號出口後,沿著巷子(忠孝東路三段10巷)走約 2 分鐘,到了濟南路口,左轉走約 2 分鐘即可看到。
最低消費: 80 元


1. 請事先準備2~3分鐘的英語自我介紹。
2. 請事先閱讀文章以及主持人所提的討論問題,並事先寫下自己所欲發表意見的英文。
3. 全程以英語進行,參加者應具備中等英語會話能力,對任一討論問題,能夠以5到10句英文表達個人見解。
4. 在正式加入之前,可以先來觀摩三次,觀摩者亦須參與討論。正式加入需繳交終身會費 NT$1,000。
最後由 Kat C 於 週二 4月 02, 2019 4:17 pm 編輯,總共編輯了 1 次。
Kat C
文章: 341
註冊時間: 週三 9月 08, 2010 10:31 am

Re: 4/2 (Tue.) Who Deserves Citizenship? (Host: Kat)

文章Luis Ko » 週二 4月 02, 2019 1:25 pm

“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
― Jiddu Krishnamurti
i might be a cynic and, a sceptic as well but, i'm definitely not a bad person!!
Luis Ko
YOYO member
文章: 860
註冊時間: 週三 6月 06, 2007 10:18 pm

Re: 4/2 (Tue.) Who Deserves Citizenship? (Host: Kat)

文章Christine » 週三 4月 03, 2019 11:11 am

Thanks for Kat's hosting. I had a pleasant evening by participating this gathering. :)

Participants (16) :
Kat (Host), Amy, Andy Chen, Christine H, Devry, Iris, James, John, Julian, Liwen, Sabrina, Shirley, Sunny Sr., Tim, Wen-han, Winston
文章: 182
註冊時間: 週三 8月 31, 2005 7:34 pm

回到 每週討論主題 Meeting Topics


正在瀏覽這個版面的使用者:Bing [Bot] 和 5 位訪客