2/11(Tue), 2/15(Sat)The Subtle Art of Not Giving an F (Host:Kooper, Sat. Attendee)

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2/11(Tue), 2/15(Sat)The Subtle Art of Not Giving an F (Host:Kooper, Sat. Attendee)

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Happy Lunar New Year! It’s been a long time, my friends. With the new year comes new resolutions and renewed perseverance, so here I am with a slightly challenging topic. :mrgreen:

This is a topic we discussed six years ago, but this time, I’m using a new video clip as a reference and will be creating new discussion questions.

First of all, I apologize that the clip is a bit lengthy and might feel overwhelming. However, I believe it’s worth the time and effort because it’s a book summary presented by the author, who does an excellent job of conveying the main ideas.

If you're short on time and can't watch the whole video, please focus on the first 27.5 minutes - that’s where all the discussion questions come from. And no worries—I’ve used AI tools, Sonix and Grok, to generate a transcript and a quick summary for you.



Summary of Mark Manson's Speech on "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck"

Core Concept: Manson emphasizes that the book isn't about not caring but about choosing what to care about. He argues that life requires us to give a f*ck about something, and the key question should be what and why we choose to care. This choice influences our values, goals, and ultimately our happiness and fulfillment.

Chapter 1 - Don't Try (2:43~)
• Introduction with Charles Bukowski: Manson uses Bukowski as an example of success despite personal flaws, challenging the typical self-help narrative of success.
• The Backwards Law: Introduced as a central theme, where the pursuit of positive experiences paradoxically leads to negative outcomes, while accepting negatives can lead to positivity.
• Give a Fuck Framework: Explains that not giving a fuck isn't about indifference but about choosing what to care about, emphasizing the importance of having something worth caring for over small adversities.

Chapter 2 - Happiness is a Problem (6:46~)
• Buddhist Concept of Dukkha: Manson begins with the idea that life inherently includes suffering, which is not just to be avoided but understood.
• Evolutionary Use of Suffering: Negative emotions are presented as signals for action, not just obstacles to happiness.
• Hedonic Treadmill: Describes the endless cycle of seeking happiness through material or external achievements, which never truly satisfies.
• Choose Your Struggle: Happiness comes from solving meaningful problems, suggesting we should choose struggles that resonate with our values.

Chapter 3 - You Are Not Special (11:03~)
• Story of Jimmy: A composite character illustrating entitlement, where one expects happiness without effort or sacrifice.
• Types of Entitlement: Differentiates between grandiose and victim narcissism, both leading to problematic behaviors due to a skewed sense of self-worth.
• Cultural Exceptionalism: Critiques how modern culture fosters an unhealthy sense of being special, leading to entitlement and dissatisfaction.

Chapter 4 - The Value of Suffering (15:03~)
• Hiroo Onoda's Story: Uses the example of a WWII soldier who continued fighting for 27 years post-war, to show how misaligned values can lead to futile struggle.
• Good vs. Bad Values: Defines good values as reality-based, socially constructive, and immediate/controllable, versus bad values which are superstitious, destructive, or beyond control.

Chapter 5 - You Are Always Choosing (18:19~)
• Thought Experiment with Marathon: Compares the scenario of forced running versus chosen running, highlighting how choice affects our experience of hardship.
• Responsibility vs. Fault: Argues that while not everything is our fault, we are responsible for our reactions and choices in response to life's events.
• Constant Choice: Every moment involves making choices about what we value, how we react, and what we focus on, encouraging awareness of this choice.

Chapter 6 - Why You Are Wrong About Everything (But So Am I) (23:05~)
• Historical Beliefs: Reflects on past misconceptions to show how current knowledge might look foolish in the future, promoting intellectual humility.
• Belief Formation and Certainty: Discusses how arbitrary our beliefs can be and the dangers of unwavering certainty.
• Manson's Law of Avoidance: Suggests that the more something threatens our identity, the more we avoid it, advocating for a loose self-definition to reduce such avoidance.


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Transcript: https://1drv.ms/b/c/f0671464d26c6f5f/ET ... g?e=XyeXh5
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Discussion Questions:
Session I:
1(CH1,2) Discuss the backwards law. Can you think of personal examples where seeking happiness directly led to unhappiness, and how accepting negatives brought about positives?

2(CH5) The video distinguishes between responsibility and fault. How can recognizing this difference change the way you handle adversity or personal challenges?

3(CH5) How does the perception of choosing your struggles versus having them imposed upon you affect your emotional and mental state? Can you think of a personal example where this perception made a significant difference?

Session II:
4(CH6) Manson suggests that our current beliefs might seem ridiculous in the future. Have you ever had a belief you held strongly that you later changed? How did that change affect your personal growth?

5(CH6) The video warns against the dangers of being too certain. How can certainty lead to closed-mindedness or conflict in your life or society at large?

6(CH6) After watching the video, how do you feel about embracing uncertainty in your life? What benefits might come from being open to changing your beliefs or admitting you might be wrong?

7(CH6) Manson's Law states that the more something threatens our identity, the more we avoid it. Can you identify an area in your life where you might be avoiding confronting something because it challenges your self-view?
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"The Subtle Art of Not Giving an F***" is still a self-help book but a bit unconventional. It doesn’t inflate your ego or inspire you with grand visions of success. Instead, it delivers the blunt truth: You are not unique, and you are not the center of the universe. Failure is the norm, and everything comes to an end.

I find this self-help approach more suited to me, perhaps because of its down-to-earth perspective. Life, for me, is a cycle of mistakes, struggles, failures, and getting back up. One aspect I still struggle with is embracing the idea of life’s finiteness—not just acknowledging it but using it to make the most of my time naturally and effortlessly without falling into the trap of the "backward law."

More to discuss in the meeting!
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Re: 2/11(Tue), 2/15(Sat)The Subtle Art of Not Giving an F (Host:Kooper, Sat. Attendee)

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I want to learn from the writer about the subtle art of "using the word fxxk", too. He is doing it so naturally.

I bet Kooper cannnot do it, even after reading the whole book. :lol:
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